direstraits: [Supertraining] Re: Powerlifting<>Olympic Lifting

Myles,
You state:
"Another thing for consideration is that the lifters going into their
last CJ have given five all out efforts (plus warm-ups) and of course
the question arises how much fatigue plays in the situation."

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I presume you are referring to lifting in competition. Weightlifters
are only allowed three attempts in each of the two lifts, three
snatches, three C&Js. However fatigue can play a factor if, (and this
is often the case), their competitor(s) change the weight of their
opening or next attempt, and it is the lifters intention to lift more,
causing additional warm up lifts while waiting for the new lift
attempt poundage to appear on the bar as the weights continue to go
up. The ability to alter the amount of the weight the lifter will
attempt on each of the three attempts is a part of the tactics
involved in lifting in competition. As the bar is loaded with more and
more weight, the lifter makes a first attempt when the weight on the
bar reaches the amount of weight the lifter has told the officials he
will start at, (usually a weight the lifter has done easily in
training) or will try to lift on their next attempt. Often the second
attempt is the lifters previous best (PR) and should be duplicable.

If
that attempt is successful then third attempts are nearly always
supramaximal lifts, more than the lifter has ever done before and only
attempted, ideally, after two good lifts have been made. Sometime
lifters fail in their first and second attempts and go for the win
with one mighty attempt. (Doesn't happen often). Should the lifter
fail to make the opening lift they may use their second attempt to
lift their opening weight successfully, or they may pass and make
their second attempt with a greater weight than they failed to lift on
the first attempt. Obviously a perilous strategy, but one often used
with success. The object of course, is to lift more than anyone else
in your weight class. Or if lifting the same, to do so weighing less.
Ties are settled by lighter bodyweight.
At the Nationals, for example, Casey Burgener's opening lift in the
snatch was 175 kilos, 12 kilos more than the second place lifters best
lift. He was already the champion and didn't have to lift any further,
although he opted to. Casey opened with a 205 kilo C&J which was 7
kilos better than his nearest competitors best lift, again making him
the winner without further need to take any further attempts.
I hope this clarifies the part of your query. I'll try to get back to
your remaining questions shortly,

W.G.Johnson
Ubermensch Sports Consultancy
San Deigo, CA.

--- In Supertraining@yahoogroups.com, AudioMaven@... wrote:
>
> W.G. 'Bill' Johnson" _ubermenschsports@... _ wrote:
>
> This article should provide the necessary insight as to why long term
> Powerlifters will always have an extremely difficult time
> transitioning to Weightlifting and are unlikely to ever be able to
> compete at the elite level. Please note the direct references to Henry
> and Hammand and their totals compared to numerous other heavy weights.
>
> Bill:
>
> I greatly respect Bud's observations and certainly he's open to
debate :)
>
> One thing that strikes me about these squat observations. Is the
inability
> to recover from the squat under portion of the C&J not due to the
leg strength
> but range of motion? When someone is going for a PR in a C&J, it's
a good
> assumption that they are going rock bottom in the squat under that
is also a
> very weak mechanical position. While O-L's go pretty darn deep in
their squat
> training (and I don't know how deep the lifter u gave for example
would do in
> training -- but I'm sure someone probably has tapes of them
training), I
> doubt they are going as deep as they do in the training session
squats under of
> the clean.
>
> Another thing for consideration is that the lifters going into their
last CJ
> have given five all out efforts (plus warm-ups) and of course the
question
> arises how much fatigue plays in the situation.
>
> So I might suggest that the two squats are not necessarily directly
> comparable and I still think the two sports are different due to the
training of
> different biomotor skills that take advantage of different genetics
(fiber
> subtypes).
>
> Myles B. Astor, PhD
> Equinox Fitness Clubs
> NY,NY USA
>

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