One more thing I should say. If you think I am overestimating the
extent to which refined carbs drive hunger, try not eating them for a
while.
I have experimented with many types of dieting in detail. I have
gained and lost substantial weight a few times in the past, mostly
when I did not yet discriminate against processed carbs. Even on a
diet with a strict ratio of only 40% carbs, in order to lose weight I
always had to get very hungry several times per day. In order to lose
2 pounds per week, I actually had to get out a timer and force myself
to wait an hour to eat after I was already really hungry before most
meals. It worked, but it required extreme discipline.
Now that I have nearly eliminated processed carbs and drastically
reduced whole grain food, I find myself losing weight without ever
being particularly hungry. In fact, I have found that I have a
problem with under-eating if I don't pay attention. Conversely, I ate
a doughy piece of pizza the other day, and it made me feel hyper for
about 45 minutes or so, followed by the rapid onset of a feeling of
queasiness, weakness, and muscle tremors. I had to eat another meal
of real food and wait another hour or so before I was able to do my
planned workout, and the workout still kinda sucked.
I suggest that anyone with any propensity towards being overweight at
all (i.e. are an "endomorph") try this dietary change for themself.
Once you do, you won't need the abstract arguments any more.
Kevin Wilbanks
Wisconsin, USA
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> --- In Supertraining@
>
> **** Overeating and being fat? How do you think they got fat? Why
> do you
> > think they started overeating? They just suddenly decided to start
> > eating excessively and getting fat one day, after thousands of years
> > of behaving differently?
>
> Civilisation evolved from the Neolithic period about 10,000 years
> ago, but the essential difference between the diets of hunter-
> gatherers then and now is food abundance - fat, protein,
> carbohydrates and extreme availability -- it's not just because of
> grains.
>
> **** As you point out, I sort of convoluted two different issues in
> which grains are a major culprit in my posts, and two different forms
> of grain.
> > The issue with whole grains are the many compounds they contain that
> > block nutrient absorption. These issues are still there with a lot
> of contemporary processed "whole grain" products, and sometimes made
> > worse. This is tolerable when the grains are eaten in small amounts,
> > but starts to cause malnutrition disease when grain begins to make
> up around half one's diet.****
>
> Tell that to a billion or so rural Asians who exist on rice several
> times a day. In any case that's an argument for a balanced diet and
> has nothing to do with grains per se. I've shown you that whole
> grains can help prevent diabetes. Here is evidence that whole grains
> help prevent heart disease as well.
>
> Nutr Metab Cardiovasc Dis. 2007 Apr 19
> Whole grain intake and cardiovascular disease: A meta-analysis.
> Mellen PB, Walsh TF, Herrington DM.
>
> "CONCLUSIONS: There is a consistent, inverse association between
> dietary whole grains and incident cardiovascular disease in
> epidemiological cohort studies. In light of this evidence, policy-
> makers, scientists, and clinicians should redouble efforts to
> incorporate clear messages on the beneficial effects of whole grains
> into public health and clinical practice endeavors."
>
> Do you now agree with me that a balanced diet with whole grains is a
> healthy diet?
>
> > The issue with refined grains, particularly white flours, is that
> > eating them triggers hormonal responses that lead to obesity.
>
> Overeating anything -- meat, fat, sugar, grains -- leads to obesity.
> The idea that, magically, a bowl of rice turns people into glutton
> robots is so far fetched that I wonder why so many people believe it.
> In any case, that's not an argument for excluding all grains from
> your diet.
>
> ****Not only do they directly trigger fat storage, but they also
> cause rapid spikes and declines in blood sugar that lean one to be
> way too hungry again way too soon. The same goes, of course, for
> refined sugar. In general, refining carbohydrates into a powder or
> syrup at all appears to be the problem. ****
>
> Of course too much refined sugar and flour can be a problem, but
> don't obscure your original contention that *all* grain foods are so
> bad that they should not be eaten at all.
>
> And, any fat that gets stored from whatever you eat is still
> available for energy use. In an energy-balanced diet, this dynamic
> around fat, carbohydrates and protein gets worked out so that you
> don't put on weight. Any mild fat storage from carbohydrates doesn't
> get stored away never to be got at at again. You might as well say
> that dietary fat triggers fat storage -- it makes about as much sense.
>
> Many types of foods precipitate food intolerances or allergic
> reactions. Nuts, milk (lactose), seafood, eggs, dairy, grains
> (gluten). If they don't agree with you, don't eat them; eat something
> else. In fact allergic anaphylactic reactions to some nuts and
> seafood and eggs can be life threatening.
>
> One doesn't see people running around telling all and sundry not to
> eat nuts or seafood or eggs -- which might kill them. The anti-grains
> movement is nothing more than an irrational cult.
>
> Paul Rogers
> Gympie, Australia
>
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